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<title type="text">Educate, Don&apos;t Brainwash</title>
<summary type="text"> Clayne Pope, a BYU Economic Professor, has the best op-ed on vouchers I've seen. Referendum 1 is the most important vote of recent memory. Our decision should be based on rational, fair arguments. If you doubt the ability of...</summary>
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<p>
Clayne Pope, a BYU Economic Professor, has the <a href="">best op-ed on vouchers</a>
I've seen.  
</p>
<blockquote class="webquote" uri="http://www.heraldextra.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=242211&mosmsg=Thanks+for+your+vote%21" uri.title="Daily Herald - Guest opinion: BYU professor urges: Educate, don't brainwash" date="Fri Nov 02 2007 07:11:44 GMT-0600 (MDT)">
Referendum 1 is the most important vote of recent memory. Our decision should be based on rational, fair arguments. If you doubt the ability of parents to act in the best interest of their children, you may want to vote against vouchers. If you believe the increase in private schools will further fragment Utah society, you may consider a negative vote. But if you do vote against Referendum 1, you should be aware that you are voting for the status quo in Utah education as well as a somewhat higher future tax burden. But please ignore the bogus arguments that educational resources will decline with vouchers or that increased competition will harm Utah education. Even in a political campaign, educators have a moral duty to educate rather than brainwash.
<div class="quoteref">From <A HREF="http://www.heraldextra.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=242211&mosmsg=Thanks+for+your+vote%21">Daily Herald - <span class="news_label"></em>Guest opinion<em></span>: BYU professor urges: Educate, don't brainwash</A><br>Referenced Fri Nov 02 2007 07:11:44 GMT-0600 (MDT)</div></blockquote>]]></content>
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<title type="text">Supporting Referendum No. 1</title>
<summary type="text"> by Gordon Jones My qualifications for accepting this invitation consist of the following: I have a Master's degree in education (from Stanford University); I have been a classroom teacher (11th and 12th grades; I now teach part-time at SLCC);...</summary>
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<h3>by Gordon Jones</h3>


<p>
<em>My qualifications for accepting this invitation consist of the
following: I have a Master's degree in education (from Stanford
University); I have been a classroom teacher (11th and 12th grades; I
now teach part-time at SLCC); my wife is still an active classroom
teacher (6th grade); we educated seven children in the public school
system; both of us are products of the public school system; I have
been studying school choice, in Utah and elsewhere, and writing about
it, for at least 30 years.  I was the first Executive Director of the
Utah Education Funding Project, which eventually became what is now
Parents for Choice in Education, on whose board I continue to serve.</em>
</p>



<p>
My reasons for supporting Referendum #1 fall into four areas:
</p>



<p>
1. A philosophic bias in favor of freedom.  In general, I think the
free choices of individuals in markets produce better results than
decisions made in the political system.  I believe that the
competition that comes with choice produces better results all
around.
</p>



<p>
The research seems to bear out that judgment.  Where school choice
has been tried, not only do those opting for private schools do
better in school, but the students remaining in the public schools
also do better.  The U.S. Postal Service has vastly improved its
service under (fairly limited) competition; no reasons schools
shouldn't do as well.
</p>



<p>
Of course for most choices I do not advocate government subsidies for
private choice.  But where a decision (to educate all children) has
been made societally, the mechanisms used to implement that choice
should be as market-oriented and free as possible.  
</p>



<p>
2. The question of an efficient delivery system to attain a societal
goal brings up the question of costs.  Utah faces a 30 percent
increase in the number of K-12 children over the next 10 years.  Utah
already has the lowest per-pupil expenditures in the nation, and the
highest pupil-teacher ratios.  Those numbers will worsen inexorably
unless we try something different.
</p>



<p>
On average, Utah spends $7,500 per K-12 pupil per year.  The average
cost of an education voucher is anticipated to be $2,000.  If one can
purchase $7,500 in savings with the investment of $2,000, that is a
deal one should take.
</p>



<p>
Anticipating a couple of objections here, let me point out that since
we are talking about future growth, the "fixed costs" argument does
not apply.  (In truth, it never did apply; the growing areas of, say,
southwest Salt Lake County have been "draining" students from
east-side schools for generations, and taking full funding with them.
Charter schools "drain" students from traditional schools in the same
geographic area, taking less than full funding but almost twice what
vouchers will take.  The schools on the east side and where charters
exist have managed to make the adjustments just fine.)
</p>



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Another objection is that $2,000 (or even the maximum voucher of
$3,000) will not cover private school tuition, so the
economically-disadvantaged won't be helped.  The average private
school tuition in Utah is $4,000, so $3,000 will certainly help, and
it will completely cover tuition in many private schools,
particularly the schools that exist in lower-income areas.
</p>



<p>
Here are some numbers of interest: Total annual education spending in
Utah clocks in at around $3.5 billion dollars.  First-year cost of
the voucher program is estimated at $9 million.  Fully phased-in
(after 13 years) annual cost of the voucher program is estimated (by
voucher opponents) at about $70 million, which would mean that 35,000
students were taking advantage of it (out of a school-age population
then of something in excess of 650,000), saving the taxpayers $262.5
million, for a net savings of about $190 million a year.
</p>



<p>
True, some of those 35,000 would be students whose parents would have
sent them to private school anyway, which reduces the net savings
somewhat.  Total private school enrollment today is around 15,000.
That number will also grow, so let's use a number of 20,000 private
school students 13 years from now.  If we were to subtract out that
20,000 and project a diversion of only 15,000 students as a result of
the voucher program, the savings would still be $112.5 million, or a
net $42.5 million per year.
</p>



<p>
Sidebar: My recollection is that Utah has about 20,000 teachers.
Those annual savings could mean more than $2,000 a year to those
teachers.  Alternatively, you could take the savings and hire 1,400
new teachers, reducing class sizes from 25 to 23.  Per pupil
expenditures would go up by $65.  We'd still be last, nationally, but
we'd be better off than we are now.  
</p>



<p>
No doubt there will be some wealthy families that will take the $500
voucher to reduce the cost of Waterford from $13,000 a year to
$12,500.  Another sidebar: The argument is often made that this
program will take from the poor and give to the rich, but that is
obvious nonsense.  The poor don't pay taxes, particularly if they
have children.  The rich are already paying far more in taxes than
they are ever going to be able to recoup with a $500 voucher.  The
program might take from the childless rich and give to the fecund
rich, but the current system already does that.  End sidebar. Far
more numerous will be those stuck in the worst schools on the west
side, who will be able to take a voucher of $3,000 and use it at a
private school, increasing their range of choice and saving the rest
of us money.  
</p>



<p>
3. Those are the people at whom this program is aimed, those without
the resources to exercise choice today.  After all, if one is a
millionaire, one can already send one's children to private school if
one wants to.  But if one is trapped by economic status in an area of
failing schools, one has few options.  And the persisting gap between
majority and minority achievement rates is one of the most glaring
failings of the public schools.  That gap would be worse were it not
for a dropout rate that also impacts most heavily those of limited
income.
</p>



<p>
The appeal of school choice is driving leadership at the national
level to the minority community.  Leading voucher proponents have
included Polly Williams, Floyd Flake and Bernice Gates, leaders in
their minority communities, and now the irreplaceable Howard Fuller,
with his Black Alliance for Educational Opportunity.  
</p>



<p>
In years past, many "liberals" recognized the advantages of school
choice for minorities.  Hubert Humphrey said "I favor the creation of
a tax system where parents would be able to receive a tax credit when
their children attend approved private schools." 
</p>



<p>
Pat Moynihan: "I do not think that the prospect of change in this
area [education] is enhanced by the abandonment of pluralism and
choice as liberal ideas and liberal values. If that happens it will
present immense problems for a person such as myself who was deeply
involved in this issue long before it was either conservative or
liberal. And if it prevails only as a conservative cause, it will
have been a great failure of American liberalism not to have seen the
essentially liberal nature of this pluralist proposition." 
</p>



<p>
Cleveland Mayor Michael R. White (who is black, BTW): "We've got to
stop having a knee-jerk opposition to school vouchers and charter
schools. . . . For all the African-American officials that have come
out against vouchers, you will never find my name."
</p>



<p>
Robert B. Reich: "The only way to begin to decouple poor kids from
lousy schools is to give poor kids additional resources, along with
vouchers enabling them and their parents to choose how to use them."
</p>



<p>
The Salt Lake Tribune supported school choice until a couple of years
ago: "One way to [stop UEA bullying] would be to offer Utahns
educational choice. Let state education subsidies accompany each
child to whatever school the child happens to attend, regardless of
whether that school is public, private or parochial. 
</p>



<p>
"This way, UEA members will be focused on improving the schools in
which they teach in order to keep children in them. This way,
whatever resources come their way will be based on how well they
teach, not their ability to bully."
</p>



<p>
Democrats in Utah often argue that they are unfairly stigmatized as
"liberal."  Here's a chance for them to use a truly "liberal" issue
to illustrate their case.  But though Bill Orton favored school
choice when he ran for governor, not a single Democrat in the
legislature supported it (including Duane Bourdeaux, who sent his
children to private school).
</p>



<p>
But aren't private schools likely to be segregated?  How can minority
leaders and parents support that?  It would be hard to find schools
more segregated than Utah's, but studies nationwide indicate that
private schools are in fact more integrated, and that the behavior of
their students is less racially-motivated.  That is, they voluntarily
mix more in lunch rooms and at recess.
</p>



<p>
And this might be a good time to address the "creaming" argument,
that private schools will siphon off the best students, leaving the
"dregs" for the public schools.  After all, the public schools have
to take everyone, and private schools can pick and choose.
</p>



<p>
Again, the facts don't bear out this fear.  While there are no doubt
some "exclusive" private schools, private schools as a whole have a
more diverse student body on any metric one could care to name, from
race to economics to physical and mental handicaps and behavioral
problems.  The public school system already contracts with a number
of private schools to educate students with certain mental and
physical handicaps, and with certain behavioral problems.  These
arrangements constitute, by the way, a "voucher" program, just as the
Carson Smith Scholarship program does.
</p>



<p>
Voucher opponents try to have this "creaming" argument both ways.
Harvard researcher Caroline Hoxby has found that when choice is
increased, academic performance goes up both for the students moving
from public to private schools and for the students who remain in the
public schools.  Since these are aggregate numbers, she notes, some
might try to argue (some in fact have) that the reason public school
scores go up is not because the public schools improve, but because
the worst students take advantage of choice and leave, causing the
average of the remaining students to jump.  Hoxby somewhat dryly
notes that critics can make this "anti-creaming" argument if they
want to.
</p>



<p>
4. Social tensions.  My fourth reason for supporting school choice is
really a derivative of the first: my belief that markets avoid social
tensions in ways that politics cannot.  Politics is a zero-sum game.
When a decision is made politically, one side wins and one side
loses.  In markets, both sides win.
</p>



<p>
Translating that idea to education, consider "Investigations Math,"
as implemented in Alpine School District.  Some parents swear by it,
others swear at it.  But when the decision is made politically, one
is either going to have it or not have it, and one side is going to
win and the other side is going to lose.  The bitterness of the
battle has been prominently on display in recent years.
</p>



<p>
With school choice, both sets of parents can win.  Those that want
Investigations Math can have it; those that want Saxon math can have
that.  Tensions are lowered and civility can prevail.
</p>



<p>
The range of tension-inducing subjects is large (and growing) and
frankly, I see school choice as the only way to avoid broad unrest
and increasingly bitter political battles.  Some of these are subject
matter-related, such as mathematics and reading instruction methods;
others are sex education, creationism v. evolution, drivers' ed, the
presence or absence of music (and whose music---John Cage or Mozart?)
and the arts (and which arts---Vagina Monologues or Mark Twain
Tonight?), vending machines and campus demonstrations.
</p>


<h3>Conclusion</h3>


<p>
In one sense, the majority of Utahns have had the best of both worlds
for a long time.  Education has been provided at taxpayer expense,
and yet it has essentially been delivered by a relatively homogeneous
school system closely mirroring the dominant socio-religious culture.
That is less true today, and in my opinion less true than most
members of that dominant socio-religious culture think.
</p>



<p>
In the final analysis, school vouchers are likely to have less of an
impact than either side imagines.  Right now, fewer than three
percent of Utah's school children are in private schools.  The
national average is 13 percent.  No matter what happens, for the
foreseeable future 90-plus percent of our children are going to be in
the public schools.  If we can use vouchers to effect some modest
savings, and at the same time introduce some innovation through
competition, it seems to me that we should do so, even if there is no
immediate, measurable benefit to the vast majority of us.
</p>



<p>
For the children of the less fortunate, this is not a small matter.
</p>

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<updated>2007-10-15T16:28:56Z</updated>
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<title type="text">Vouchers for Dummies</title>
<summary type="text"> by Richard Markosian Utah is graduating more dummies every year and it seems very few are willing to do any thing about it. According to ERIC (Educational Resources Information Center) the ever increasing learning gap between graduating high school...</summary>
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<h3>by Richard Markosian</h3>
 
<a href="http://www.utahstories.com"><img
src="http://www.utahstories.com/graphics/vouchers_postcard.jpg"
border="0" align="right" alt="check out the debate on utahStories.com"></a>

 


<p>
Utah is graduating more dummies every year and it seems very few are
willing to do any thing about it. According to ERIC <a href =
http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=ED317665&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=eric_accno&accno=ED317665
> (Educational Resources Information Center)</a> the ever increasing
learning gap between graduating high school students in the U.S and
graduates from nearly every other developed country is caused by
several factors, including school board apathy and their reluctance
to change the status quo. The recent refusal by the State Board of
Education to enact the voucher bill is case-in-point.
</p>


 


<p>
In my own experience high schools fail to educate at competent levels
because of a combination of teacher apathy and grade padding. Many
teachers I had didn't want to put forth the effort to give students a
heavy workload or demand rigorous study habits because they didn't
want to put forth the effort themselves in correcting, planning and
extra work. Teachers are paid too low and there is no benchmark for
teacher compensation based on student success.
</p>


 


<p>
<a href= "http://www.utahstories.com">UtahStories.com</a> has done
extensive research on school vouchers and contains many links to
great sources on other voucher studies. The site also has video
highlights from the original passage of the universal tuition voucher
bill from the Utah State Legislature. Hear from both supporters and
opponents and read my personal account of how public schools in Utah
need a new measuring stick; not just by other state standards but
instead by how many foreign students kick Utah students behinds in
basic competency.
</p>

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<title type="text">Inappropriate Use of Resources</title>
<summary type="text"> The SL Tribune blog is talking about another "inappropriate use" of BYU resources for political purposes: Ed Snow, director of development for BYU's Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship, sent an email to various people, including others at BYU, last...</summary>
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<p>
The <a
href="http://blogs.sltrib.com/utahpolitics/2007/06/another-byu-e-mail.htm">SL
Tribune blog</a> is talking about another "inappropriate use" of BYU
resources for political purposes:
</p>
<blockquote class="webquote" uri="http://blogs.sltrib.com/utahpolitics/2007/06/another-byu-e-mail.htm" uri.title="Tribune Blogs -- Out of Context: The Tribune's political writers' blog" date="Mon Jun 25 2007 18:54:28 GMT-0600 (MDT)">
Ed Snow, director of development for BYU's Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship, sent an email to various people, including others at BYU, last week with an attached picture of 64-year-old potential candidate Fred Thompson and his wife who is 25 years his younger. The subject line was, "Fred Thompson's trophy wife."
<br/><br/>
"From the attachment, you can see that Fred Thompson and his wife Jeri (25 years his junior) may not wear well on many conservatives," Snow said in the e-mail.
<br/><br/>
"When making their final decision before entering the voting booth, I think many conservatives will in their minds compare this attached picture with a mental picture of Mitt Romney with his lovely wife of 38 years, their five handsome sons, five beautiful [daughters]-in-law, and darling grandchildren. I hope so."
<div class="quoteref">From <A HREF="http://blogs.sltrib.com/utahpolitics/2007/06/another-byu-e-mail.htm">Tribune Blogs -- Out of Context: The Tribune's political writers' blog</A><br>Referenced Mon Jun 25 2007 18:54:28 GMT-0600 (MDT)</div></blockquote>

<p>
Does anyone else see a difference between an associate dean sending a
note to a school maintained alumni mailing list that directly solicits support
for a candidate and someone sending a note to some friends from their
BYU email account?  I imagine that in every election since email was
invented, BYU faculty and staff have sent email messages to each
other and others outside the university, from their BYU accounts,
about political candidates.  No one cared until there as a Mormon in
the race.  Now, such actions are "inappropriate."
</p>





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<title type="text">The Religion Factor</title>
<summary type="text">By Bryan Catherman Of the 1,483 UTAH Republican party members straw polled, 282 (19.02%) like a candidate other than Mitt Romney. Does 1,201 votes (80.98%) votes leave much doubt that Utah Republicans love Mitt Romney? But I wonder, if the...</summary>
<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><em>By <a href="http://www.bryancatherman.com">Bryan Catherman</a></em></p>

<p>Of the 1,483 UTAH Republican party members straw polled, 282 (19.02%) like a candidate other than Mitt Romney.  Does 1,201 votes (80.98%) votes leave much doubt that Utah Republicans love Mitt Romney?</p>

<p>But I wonder, if the candidate’s name were left out of the question, and only his political platform was available-- identifying some of the candidate’s past record and beliefs as well as points he is running on today, without providing anything else to tip off the voter—would Romney score so high, or might other Republican candidates gain more support from Utah Republicans?  </p>

<p>If the results of such a poll weren’t within three or four percentage points, it might seem that many Utah Republicans are casting their votes based on something other than the issues.  Could it be religion?  I certainly hope not after seeing so many Mormons criticize or crucify non-LDS members for saying they’d vote against Romney because of his religion.   </p>

<p>And the opposite might prove interesting.  If two groups of voters outside Utah were polled—one group questioned with names and the other without—we might see that some of the voters against Romney based on his religion might actually favor his politics.  Than again, maybe not.  </p>

<p><strong><br />
Utah Republican Party Straw Poll Results:</strong><br />
(<a href="http://home.utgop.org/page.php?page_id=4">http://home.utgop.org/page.php?page_id=4</a>)</p>

<p>Mitt Romney 1201 (80.98%)<br />
Ron Paul 84 (5.66%)<br />
Rudy Giuliani 63 (4.25%)<br />
John McCain 58 (3.91%)<br />
Tom Tancredo 23 (1.55%)<br />
Tommy Thompson 17 (1.15%)<br />
Mike Huckabee 14 (0.94%)<br />
Duncan Hunter 12 (0.81%)<br />
Sam Brownback 11 (0.74%)<br />
Total 1483 (100%)<br />
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<title type="text">Toward Understanding School Vouchers</title>
<summary type="text"> by Jim Ferrin The citizens of Utah will vote on school vouchers in November. But, unfortunately, they aren't yet getting much good information on which to make the decision. It seems all press coverage has been mired in the...</summary>
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<h3>by Jim Ferrin</h3>
<p>
The citizens of Utah will vote on school vouchers in November.  But,
unfortunately, they aren't yet getting much good information on which
to make the decision.  It seems all press coverage has been mired in
the "two bill" controversy -- a controversy that must be resolved -
and it certainly will.  But, the real question for the public to
decide is whether or not Utah's new school voucher program is good
policy.  The public deserves to hear the merits of the policy -- not
just the controversy surrounding the "two-bill" issue.
</p>

 

<p>
Utah voters should understand that a voucher sends public money to a
private school.  But, that's not all - it also sends a public student
to a private school.  Since the voucher is cheaper than what we spend
to educate that student in the public school, there is a savings to
the state public education budget for every student that uses it.
That savings can only be spent on the students who remain in the
public system.  So, the voucher is a sure way to increase our
spending per pupil on those who remain in the public schools.  Higher
spending per pupil is the only way to increase teacher salaries and
to reduce class sizes.  The voucher is the surest, cheapest way to
increase per pupil spending and to reduce the size of your student's
class.
</p>

 

<p>
The voucher lets parents choose the school that will receive state
funding to educate their child.  All of a sudden, public schools
become more responsive to parents as they seek to win that student
and the funding that follows him/her.
</p>

 

<p>
Increased competition among public and private schools can't help but
foster greater excellence in both -- and the children are the winners.
</p>

 

<p>
But, perhaps the biggest winners with school vouchers are those
children who are not succeeding in school but whose parents can't
afford an alternative.  The school voucher gives more parents the
tools they need to help their children to succeed.
</p>


 

<p>
To make an informed vote, parents, citizens, and voters should be
hearing about these points more than the "two-bill" controversy -- a
controversy that will get worked out while the citizens are still
left to decide the real policy.
</p>
]]></content>
<dc:subject>utah, public+schools, school+choice, </dc:subject>
<id>http://www.utahpolitics.org/archives/2007/05/toward_understanding_school_vouchers.shtml</id>
<link rel="alternate" href="http://www.utahpolitics.org/archives/2007/05/toward_understanding_school_vouchers.shtml" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en" />
<published>2007-05-31T21:02:04Z</published>
<updated>2007-05-31T21:03:05Z</updated>
</entry>
<entry>
<title type="text">Saying Yes to Paper Ballots</title>
<summary type="text"> An editorial in last Thursday's Deseret News got a little hot under the collar over the current debate over what to do with electronic voting. It said, in part: The concern is understandable, of course. New inventions make nervous...</summary>
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<p>
An <a href="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660223346,00.html">editorial in last Thursday's Deseret News</a> got a little hot under
the collar over the current debate over what to do with electronic
voting.  It said, in part:
</p>
<blockquote class="webquote" uri="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660223346,00.html" uri.title="deseretnews.com | Vote 'no' on paper ballots" date="Tue May 29 2007 08:44:57 GMT-0600 (MDT)">
The concern is understandable, of course. New inventions make nervous Nellies of us all. People once feared that microwave ovens would make them sterile or that garage door openers might lead to cancer. Humorist James Thurber recalled that his mother would never leave light sockets open in the house because she was convinced electricity would leak out, costing her money and threatening her health.
<br/>
<br/>
Such things are often the source of urban folk legends. Trepidation
before the unknown is a natural human reaction. 
<br/><br/>
Overcoming that trepidation, however, is the mark of education and
understanding.
<br/><br/>
Right now, some people are worried there are gremlins in the current
voting machines --- that electronic voting is unreliable and open to
tampering. They spout anecdotal evidence of irregularities here and
there to fuel their fear and want paper ballot backups to fend off
any conspirators. It's the same kind of itchy-witchy thinking that
leads people to hide bags of money under their mattresses.
<br/><br/>
And dare we say that almost all of those those skittish souls are
likely older than 40? The younger generation sees the outcry for the
tangible comfort of paper ballots as a hallmark of the
fuddy-duddy. The notion sounds, to young ears, like people demanding
election results be chiseled into granite for security.
<div class="quoteref">From <A
HREF="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660223346,00.html">deseretnews.com
| Vote 'no' on paper ballots</A><br>Referenced Tue May 29 2007
08:44:57 GMT-0600 (MDT)</div></blockquote>

<p>
The Deseret News would do well to check their facts before they fly
off the handle on this one.  The fact is that the people <em>most worried
are computer scientists</em>--the people least likely to be afraid of
computers merely because they're new.  
</p>

<p>
Jay Lepreau of the CS department at the University of Utah and I
published an <a
href="http://www.cs.utah.edu/~lepreau/evote-headlong.txt">Op-Ed piece
on eVoting</a> in the Salt Lake Tribune in 2004.  In that piece we
noted "The consensus of computer and security experts is
overwhelming: In a poll of members of the ACM, the premier
organization for computing professionals, over 95 percent of the
respondents felt that voting systems should provide a recountable
physical record, e.g., paper."   In other words, the <em>people most
educated in this area</em> are the ones most concerned.  
</p>

<p>
Congress forced the hands of states in dumping their old voting
systems and buying new ones.  Most went with so-called DRE touch
screen systems like the State of Utah.  Utah was smart enough to pass
a law requiring a paper audit trail, but apparently the equipment
Utah bought won't comply with new Federal regulations in this area.
</p>

<p>
It's unfortunate that State election officials had to make decisions
and spend money before the paint was dry in this debate.  The
standards are still evolving and experience is showing that the
electronic machines <em>do have problems accurately recording
votes</em>.  Even with paper audit trails, there are problems that
are prohibitively expensive to find with audits.  
</p>

<p>
It may seem that as the Feds change the rules, the states have no
choice but to continue to change out their electronic voting machines
over and over again to comply, but it turns out there is an
alternative to the DRE voting machines.  
<a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=4984">Florida recently
scrapped it's touch screen machines</a> with optical scan paper
ballots.  Florida was one of the states that had both--letting the
counties decide.  After using both, they went for the optical scan
system. 
</p>

<p>
That's a safe haven--one that was available to Utah officials in 2004
when they made their decision to go with the current system.  Its
still a safe haven and the most likely to be future proof as
technology and standards continue to evolve.  If we do end up
scrapping our current machines and having to replace them, let's
replace them with something that will stand the test of time.  
</p>



]]></content>
<dc:subject>evoting, egovernment, </dc:subject>
<id>http://www.utahpolitics.org/archives/2007/05/saying_yes_to_paper_ballots.shtml</id>
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<published>2007-05-29T16:08:03Z</published>
<updated>2007-05-29T16:10:00Z</updated>
</entry>
<entry>
<title type="text">Would We Go to Iraq Now?</title>
<summary type="text"> Bob Kerrey, a former Democratic senator from Nebraska and member of the 9/11 Commission, wrote a brilliant op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal on Tuesday call The Left's Iraq Muddle. As you read it, keep in mind that...</summary>
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<p>
Bob Kerrey, a former Democratic senator from Nebraska and member of
the 9/11 Commission, wrote a brilliant op-ed piece in the Wall Street
Journal on Tuesday call <a
href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010107">The
Left's Iraq Muddle</a>.  As you read it, keep in mind that he's a
Democrat and has a pretty good idea what happened on 9/11.  
</p>

<p>
Here's the part that really made me think:
</p>
<blockquote class="webquote" uri="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010107" uri.title="OpinionJournal - Featured Article" date="Fri May 25 2007 09:31:50 GMT-0600 (MDT)">
The critics who bother me the most are those who ordinarily would not be on the side of supporting dictatorships, who are arguing today that only military intervention can prevent the genocide of Darfur, or who argued yesterday for military intervention in Bosnia, Somalia and Rwanda to ease the sectarian violence that was tearing those places apart.
<br/><br/>
Suppose we had not invaded Iraq and Hussein had been overthrown by Shiite and Kurdish insurgents. Suppose al Qaeda then undermined their new democracy and inflamed sectarian tensions to the same level of violence we are seeing today. Wouldn't you expect the same people who are urging a unilateral and immediate withdrawal to be urging military intervention to end this carnage? I would.
<br/><br/>
American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it. Al Qaeda in particular has targeted for abduction and murder those who are essential to a functioning democracy: school teachers, aid workers, private contractors working to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure, police officers and anyone who cooperates with the Iraqi government. Much of Iraq's middle class has fled the country in fear.
<br/><br/>
With these facts on the scales, what does your conscience tell you to do? If the answer is nothing, that it is not our responsibility or that this is all about oil, then no wonder today we Democrats are not trusted with the reins of power. American lawmakers who are watching public opinion tell them to move away from Iraq as quickly as possible should remember this: Concessions will not work with either al Qaeda or other foreign fighters who will not rest until they have killed or driven into exile the last remaining Iraqi who favors democracy.
<div class="quoteref">From <A HREF="http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010107">OpinionJournal - Featured Article</A><br>Referenced Fri May 25 2007 09:31:50 GMT-0600 (MDT)</div></blockquote>

<p>
Does that mean that the current strategy is the right one?  Of course
not.  But it does argue for strong continued involvement in Iraq.  
</p>

<p>
Iraq will not be a binary event: victory or defeat.  At least it
doesn't <em>have to be</em>.  Iraq is no more rational country than
Yugoslavia was.  Accepting that fact leads to many more options for
moving forward than we have now.   There are options in between
chasing an ever receding goal of a unified, peaceful Iraq and just
leaving.  President Bush and the Congress would do well to explore
them.  
</p>

]]></content>
<dc:subject>national, iraq, war, </dc:subject>
<id>http://www.utahpolitics.org/archives/2007/05/would_we_go_to_iraq_now.shtml</id>
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<published>2007-05-25T16:38:16Z</published>
<updated>2007-05-25T16:39:24Z</updated>
</entry>
<entry>
<title type="text">Rocky&apos;s Green Budget</title>
<summary type="text"> I don't agree with a lot of things Rocky Anderson says and does, but I'd like to see more cities (not to mention the State) follow his example in establishing a fund for renewable energy technologies. A few weeks...</summary>
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<p>
I don't agree with a lot of things Rocky Anderson says and does, but
I'd like to see more cities (not to mention the State) follow his
example in establishing a fund for renewable energy technologies.
</p>

<p>
A few weeks ago, I posted a story on my blog about <a
href="http://www.windley.com/archives/2007/03/googles_solar_power_installation.shtml">Google's
1.6MW solar power installation</a>.  The project is a money making
proposition for them--especially with the financial incentives they
got from PG&amp;E.  The project breaks even in 7.5 years and has an
expected lifetime of 20 years.  I think solar is becoming
economically viable and government, both as a regulator and one of
the largest builders in the state, has a leading role to play.
</p>

<p>
Of course, this runs the risk of being caught up in the rhetoric
surrounding Rocky--and that's a shame.  We tend to turn things into
partisan issues that don't need to be.  This doesn't have to be about
evil oil or capitalism or anything else.  This is simply being
smart--environmentally <em>and</em> economically.  
</p>
]]></content>
<dc:subject>salt+lake+city, budget, local, </dc:subject>
<id>http://www.utahpolitics.org/archives/2007/05/rockys_green_budget.shtml</id>
<link rel="alternate" href="http://www.utahpolitics.org/archives/2007/05/rockys_green_budget.shtml" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en" />
<published>2007-05-02T22:37:39Z</published>
<updated>2007-05-02T22:38:55Z</updated>
</entry>
<entry>
<title type="text">Rocky Is An Embarrassment to Salt Lake</title>
<summary type="text"> by Dwight J. Barrett, Salt Lake City The more I see Rocky Anderson the more I think he is despicable individual. I am ashamed of the people who elected him. The people who voted for him should be ashamed...</summary>
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<h3>by Dwight J. Barrett,  Salt Lake City</h3>
<p>
The more I see Rocky Anderson the more I think he is despicable
individual.  I am ashamed of the people who elected him. The people
who voted for him should be ashamed of themselves.  If the people who
voted for him are not ashamed of them selves then I am ashamed for
them.
</p>


<p>
Rocky has no right to use his position as Mayor to promote his
personal agenda.  Rocky has no right to use our money to promote
impeaching President Bush.  Rocky spends way too much time chasing
down President Bush and not enough time taking care of the business
of running Salt Lake City.
</p>


<p>
The Salt Lake City council should ask Rocky to step down. The city
council should enact a city ordinance spelling out the grounds
for impeachment so that if Salt Lake ever gets another despicable
person in the position of Mayor they can impeach him.  If there ever
was a Mayor that should be impeached it is Rocky.  Rocky doesn't
represent me and I hope and pray he doesn't really represent the people
of S.L.C.!
</p>

<p>
Rocky reminds me of what Hitler must have looked like when he ranted
and raved.  The only difference between Hitler and Rocky is that
Hitler didn't drool and slobber when he spoke.  Both are as radical.
Rocky is so desperate to find someone who will listen to him he must
go to the parks and preach to the homeless.
</p>

<p>
I hope and pray that Rocky will go down in the history books as being
the trashiest Mayor that Salt Lake City has ever had.  I hope and
pray the citizens of Salt Lake City will try to elect a better
representative than Rocky.  Rocky is an embarrassment to me and Salt
Lake City.
</p>]]></content>
<dc:subject></dc:subject>
<id>http://www.utahpolitics.org/archives/2007/04/rocky_is_an_embarrassment_to_salt_lake.shtml</id>
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<published>2007-04-10T17:34:44Z</published>
<updated>2007-04-10T17:35:34Z</updated>
</entry>
<entry>
<title type="text">Alpha Particles Bad, Smog Good</title>
<summary type="text"> I'm trying to wrap my head around the fact that when Energy Solutions wants to bring more low-level nuclear waster into the state everyone from the Governor on down gets all up in arms. But when a new coal-fired...</summary>
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<p>
I'm trying to wrap my head around the fact that when Energy Solutions
wants to bring more low-level nuclear waster into the state everyone
from the Governor on down gets all up in arms.  But when a new
coal-fired power plant to produce electricity for Las Vegas or
California is proposed, there's nary a whimper. 
</p>

<p>
Is this just ignorance and a general fear of all things nuclear?  
</p>

<p>
Before I continue, let me state for the record that I have done quite
a bit of graduate level work in nuclear engineering and worked for
four years as a nuclear metallurgist, so I know something about
nuclear waste. 
</p>

<p>
The kind of waste that Energy Solution would bring into the state has
almost no chance of ever doing anyone in the state harm.  It's
contained, managed, and, as it's name states "low-level."  Note that
this isn't someone's opinion,  classifications like "low-level" have
a technical meaning. It's the kind of stuff produced by hospitals,
for example.   This is very different stuff from spent nuclear
fuel like what the Goshutes proposed putting on their reservation.  
</p>

<p>
One the other hand, we have a very real and growing <a
href="http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5563235">problem with air
pollution</a> in Utah this is causing real health problems for people
<em>right now</em>.  
</p>

<p>
I don't think we ought to ban coal fired power plants, but I do think
we ought to create very strict regulations on emissions, including
C02, from new power plants constructed in Utah and enforce them.
Let's make sure that the power created in Utah includes all the
costs, including those required to make it clean, for the sake of our
skies and our health.   Anything else is a direct subsidy of someone
else's welfare at the cost of our own.  
</p>




]]></content>
<dc:subject>public+policy, energy, environment, </dc:subject>
<id>http://www.utahpolitics.org/archives/2007/04/alpha_particles_bad_smog_good.shtml</id>
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<published>2007-04-06T16:36:09Z</published>
<updated>2007-04-06T16:44:33Z</updated>
</entry>
<entry>
<title type="text">Who is Taking the Sugar from Our House?</title>
<summary type="text"> by Richard Markosian Questions Posed to Salt Lake City Council Representative Soren Simonson Regarding the Sugarhouse Granite Block Redevelopment. Check out the answers to these questions and more at UtahStories.com Along this block there is something very unique. You...</summary>
<content type="html"><![CDATA[<!-- title: Who is Taking the Sugar from Our House? -->

<h3>by Richard Markosian</h3>


<p>
Questions Posed to  Salt Lake City Council Representative Soren
Simonson Regarding the Sugarhouse Granite Block Redevelopment. 
Check out the answers to these questions and more at  <a
href="http://www.Utahstories.com/"target="_blank">UtahStories.com</a>
</p>




<p>
Along this block there is something very unique. You almost always
see people walking along here and they are spending their dollars not
on chain stores like Gap, Old Navy or Footlocker. People who come are
shopping at local retail spots, owned by local merchants, who in turn
live here locally in Sugarhouse and spend their money locally. Do you
know of any other place that is such a truly local spot than this
block where are sitting on?
</p>



<p>
So my question for you is how is it when the City Council decided to
rezone this block to allow for a Gateway-type development there was
virtually no community involvement. There was no notice given to the
tenants here that this might be coming down the pipe? There was no
real debate. Why?
</p>



<p>
I guess the big question I have is this:  shouldn't a community that
is supporting its local merchants and enjoying such a great little
charming retail spot be able to have a say in what the retail
landscape around their community should look like? 
</p>



<p>
I ask this because you and I both know that when this development is
completed these local merchants won't be able to move back in, the
rent will be too high-- we will see bed and body works instead of
Orion's Music here, we will have Victoria's Secret instead of Blue
Boutique we'll have Gap instead of Pib's Exchange we will have
Starbucks instead of Sugarhouse Coffee and this corner will be just
like any other Anytown, USA corner, does that really sound like a nice
exchange to you? 
</p>



<p>
35 years ago Main Street Salt Lake City was full of local retailers
that had been there for many many years. Locally owned places like
Aurbachs, Baker Shoes, Keith O'brien. Then 35 years ago the city
council voted to allow the building of two giant shopping malls one
right across the street from the other. These malls attracted many
shoppers, they economically revitalized downtown but killed nearly
all the local merchants. Today 35 years later we are tearing down
these malls because everyone shops at Gateway. Because the malls have
gone out of style. Do you think that city planners making decisions
merely in the interest of economic vitality and retail shopping
trends are ruining our sense of ownership in a place and reason for
involvement? 
</p>



<p>
Here at Sugarhouse people really care about what is happening, people
find meaning in this place because we can call it ours, what is going
to happen when all we have are Wall Marts and Gaps as far as the eye
can see? Do you think people are perhaps so apathetic today because
they don't feel like they belong when there is no sense of meaning
and provincial locality? 
</p>



<p>
Do you think that there is anything that can be done to stop this
trend. I know we live in the strongest economy in the world, our GDP
is enormous, but like you point out on your website so much of our
landscape is soo ugly because more and more big boxes are popping up
and people would rather shop at Wall Mart than a locally owned and
operated shop. I don't see anything changing and  I'm afraid that
things are going to get uglier before they get prettier, what do you
think?
</p>


]]></content>
<dc:subject>local, development, zoning, </dc:subject>
<id>http://www.utahpolitics.org/archives/2007/03/who_is_taking_the_sugar_from_our_house.shtml</id>
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<published>2007-03-26T19:19:04Z</published>
<updated>2007-03-26T19:21:35Z</updated>
</entry>
<entry>
<title type="text">Beating Children With State Support</title>
<summary type="text"> by Hal Smith Utah State House: Still in the 1850s(click to enlarge) According to the Salt Lake Tribune article "Weird Laws Clutter the Utah Code" Utah parents can give written permission to teachers to hit their children even though...</summary>
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<h3>by Hal Smith</h3>

<table align="right"><tr valign="top"><td width="150"><div class="inlineimage"><a href="http://photos.windley.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=utahpolitics&id=Utah_house"><img src="http://photos.windley.com/albums/utahpolitics/Utah_house.thumb.jpg" width="150" height="98"  border="0" alt="Utah State House: Still in the 1850s" title="Utah State House: Still in the 1850s" name="photo_j"></a></div><div class="caption">Utah State House: Still in the 1850s<br/>(click to enlarge)</div></td></tr></table>

<p>
According to the Salt Lake Tribune article "Weird Laws Clutter the
Utah Code" Utah parents can give written permission to teachers to
hit their children even though none of Utah's public school do
it. (Dan Harrie and Judy Fahys, January 18, 1998).
</p>



<p>
The law was passed in 1992 and says:
</p>

<blockquote>
"A school employee may not inflict or cause the infliction of
corporal punishment upon a child who is receiving services from the
school, unless written permission has been given by the student's
parent or guardian to do so."  (<a href="http://www.le.state.ut.us/~code/TITLE53A/htm/53A0C034.htm">UTAH LAW 53A-11-802</a>)
</blockquote>



<p>
In other words, who ever a child lives with- be it an adoptive
parent, step-parent, or uncle- can tell teachers to hit the child
with a thick board leaving redness and welts. The thick board is
called a "paddle" and was invented to beat slaves.
</p>



<p>
Since the end of slavery in 1865 America's schools and institutions
have step by step abolished corporal punishment. Hundreds of global
and US organizations like the United Nations, the US Parent and
Teacher Association, and the National Association of State Boards of
Education have passed resolutions against corporal punishment. They
believe students have the same right to be protected from physical
violence as do wives, animals, and criminals.
</p>



<p>
<a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_intr.htm">According to
Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance</a>, "the LDS church has
consistently discouraged this approach to child rearing." President
Hinckley: "called physical abuse of children unnecessary, unjustified
and indefensible." He said: "I have never accepted the principle of
'spare the rod and spoil the child.' I am persuaded that violent
fathers produce violent sons. Children don't need beating. They need
love and encouragement." 
</p>



<p>
Then in 1997 the Utah Senate tried to ban school beatings completely.
</p>



<p>
The Salt Lake City Tribune wrote an excellent editorial supporting the proposal. It explained that beating students in front of their peers "implies they are less worthy of respect, less human than those whose whose parents say 'keep your hands off my child'."
(<a href="http://www.corpun.com/ussc9701.htm">Hands Off Those Students, 23 January 1997</a>)
</p>



<p>
But when the Senate sent the bill to the Utah House, the House
disagreed and the bill died.
</p>




<p>
Now 10 years later the state Office of Education has a regulation
against beating students but it does not override the law allowing
beatings with guardian permission. Ontario Consultants on Religious
Tolerance stated in a 2006 report that while it is not practiced,
some school districts "do not have a formal ban in place."
</p>



<p>
While school staff may be under the impression that it is illegal,
some districts are still printing handbooks saying teachers can beat
students with permission.
</p>



<p>
For example, the Salt Lake Tribune reported that San Juan School
District's school board unanimously opposed the idea of ending school
beatings. Its handbook states:
</p>

<blockquote>
<h3><a href="http://www.sanjuan.k12.ut.us/Policy/6000/6500/6510.htm">SAFE SCHOOLS POLICY</a></h3>
A school employee may not inflict or cause the infliction of corporal
punishment upon a student who is receiving services from the school
unless written permission has been given by the student's parent or
guardian to do so. This applies to students under the age of eighteen
(18), or under the age of twenty three(23) if the student is
receiving educational services as an individual with a disability. 
</blockquote>



<p>
Kane School District's <a
href="http://www.kane.k12.ut.us/html/policiesA.htm">handbook</a> has
the same policy.
</p>



<p>
How is beating students with thick wooden board part of a "Safe School?"
And safe for who? Teachers who can't handle students criticizing them to their friends?
What kind of school lets guardians give permission to beat 22 year
old disabled students?
</p>




<p>
On top of the disgusting policies of certain public schools, Utah's
law and State Board regulations have no effect on school beatings in
private schools. In fact, the government does not collect statistics
on hitting in private schools, so there is no way to know for sure
whether it is being used. Several teenagers have died in youth boot
camps in Utah.
</p>



<p>
In 2006 SURVEY USA found that only a tiny minority - 15% - of Utah
citizens supported corporal punishment in school. Why should their
unfortunate children be humiliated in front of their protected
classmates?
</p>



<p>
The poll's results show that Utah legislators have a responsibility
to enforce the will of the overwhelming majority of its citizens and
free children once and for all from the threat of school beatings.
</p>


<h3>NOTES:</h3>


<p>
<a href="http://www.corpun.com/ussc9701.htm">Hands Off Those Students</a>, Salt Lake City Tribune, January 23 1997
</p>


<p>
<a href="http://www.socialtext.net/utah-politicopia/index.cgi?s_b_101_to_abolish_corporal_punishment_in_public_schools">S.B. 101 to Abolish Corporal Punishment in Public Schools</a>
</p>


<p>
<a href="http://www.le.state.ut.us/asp/Interim/Commit.asp?Year=2007&Com=HSTEDU">Utah House Education Committee</a>,
Representative Gregory H. Hughes, Chair
Republican - District 51
</p>

<h3>ON THE CHURCH OF LATTER DAY SAINTS' OPPOSITION TO CORPORAL PUNISHMENT:</h3>
<ul>
<li>
<a href=" http://deseretbook.com/mormon-life/news/story?story_id=754">On the Matter of Spanking</a> by Glenn I. Latham</li>

<li><a href="http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/people/joseph_fielding_smith.html">Joseph F Smith's biography</a></li>

<li><a href="http://www.shire.net/mormon/parent.html">Parenting the Lord's Way</a> by Allen Leigh</li>

<li><a href="http://www.nopaddle.com/frames.asp?ch=11&se=127">The Book of Mormon's Opposition to Corporal Punishment</a>, an essay</li>

<li><a href="http://lds.families.com/blog/discipline-and-the-plan-of-salvation">Discipline and the Plan of Salvation</a> by Nola Redd</li>

</ul>]]></content>
<dc:subject>legislature, laws, public+schools, </dc:subject>
<id>http://www.utahpolitics.org/archives/2007/03/beating_children_with_state_support.shtml</id>
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<published>2007-03-20T21:16:15Z</published>
<updated>2007-03-20T21:28:21Z</updated>
</entry>
<entry>
<title type="text">Dugway&apos;s Expanding!</title>
<summary type="text"> This classified ad announces Dugway Proving Grounds' intention to renovate a de-commissioned testing lab. There are a number of public meetings that you can attend and comment at, if you're interested: The public is invited to attend a briefing...</summary>
<content type="html"><![CDATA[<!-- title: Dugway's Expanding! -->
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<p>
This <a
href="http://www.yourutahclassifieds.com/results.php?action=view&id=82036K8D">classified
ad</a> announces Dugway Proving Grounds' intention to renovate a
de-commissioned testing lab.  There are a number of public meetings
that you can attend and comment at, if you're interested:
</p>
<blockquote>
The public is invited to attend a briefing on this renovation project
and provide early comments or suggestions for the Environmental
Assessment. Comments and suggestions would be considered and
appropriately incorporated to the Environmental Assessment document,
before it is published for the 30 day public review and comment
period. The Public Briefing and Scoping meetings will be held at the
<ul>
<li>Tooele County Complex, South Auditorium, Basement Floor, 47 South
Main, Tooele, Utah, on March 12, 2007, from 7:00 pm to 9:00 pm,
and</li>
<li>Salt Lake City Library, Conference Room B, first 7Floor, 210
East 400 South, Salt Lake City, Utah, on March 13, 2007, from 7:00 PM
to 9:00 PM.</li>
</ul>
Additional information may be obtained from the Dugway
Public Affairs Office, telephone (435) 831-2116 or 3409 
</blockquote>

<p>
I cringe when I think about these kind of public comment meetings.
There's usually a lot of emotion, very little reason, and precious
little science.  Of course, if there's anything we can learn from the
legislature, that's the way we govern in America.  
</p>
]]></content>
<dc:subject>, environment, military, downwinders, events, </dc:subject>
<id>http://www.utahpolitics.org/archives/2007/03/dugways_expanding_1.shtml</id>
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<published>2007-03-01T15:55:12Z</published>
<updated>2007-03-01T15:57:09Z</updated>
</entry>
<entry>
<title type="text">Legislative Last Days</title>
<summary type="text"> Today is the last day of the 2007 Legislature. Apparently the legislators are feeling it. Even with the hijinks, if you've got time tonight, head down to the Capitol and stick around until the gavel sounds for the last...</summary>
<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>
Today is the last day of the 2007 Legislature.  Apparently the <a
href="http://blogs.sltrib.com/utahpolitics/2007/02/last-day-hijinks.htm">legislators
are feeling it</a>.  Even with the hijinks, if you've got time
tonight, head down to the Capitol and stick around until the gavel
sounds for the last time this session.  At the end, the bills will be
flying fast and furious in an effort to get it all done.  
</p>]]></content>
<dc:subject>legislature, </dc:subject>
<id>http://www.utahpolitics.org/archives/2007/02/legislative_last_days.shtml</id>
<link rel="alternate" href="http://www.utahpolitics.org/archives/2007/02/legislative_last_days.shtml" type="application/xhtml+xml" hreflang="en" />
<published>2007-02-28T22:34:41Z</published>
<updated>2007-02-28T22:36:06Z</updated>
</entry>

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